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posted by [personal profile] andrewducker at 08:51pm on 03/02/2009
if they don't, how did they get to voting age without knowing anything about the political system that governs their day-to-day lives?

Why would they? It wasn't taught to me in school.
 
posted by [identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com at 08:55pm on 03/02/2009
It wasn't?

Wow.

It ran all through my history lessons, and was taught as part of General Studies too...
 
posted by [identity profile] megadog.livejournal.com at 08:58pm on 03/02/2009
Like me, you were lucky in that we both went to school back in the era before education became optional.
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posted by [personal profile] andrewducker at 08:59pm on 03/02/2009
History lessons - covered 1930-46(-ish), the Roman invasion, and a few other bits and pieces. Of course, I stopped at age 14.

Oh, and I didn't get taught General Studies.
 
posted by [identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com at 09:00pm on 03/02/2009
Ah. My history lessons covered 1300 to 1850 - with much of it centred around 1700 to 1805. So that was the whole post Civil War reconstruction and invention of parliamentary democracy.
 
posted by [identity profile] moral-vacuum.livejournal.com at 09:03pm on 03/02/2009
1) Come to think of it, I wasn't taught that at school either. Or at least I was, but it was part of Acnient History A level comparing Roman, Athenian and Modern British political systems. So not exactly mainstream programming.

The Gordon Brown "not having a mandate" thing really annoys me to. How long was John Major PM before winning an election? About two years.

2) "But just because you don't know how the world works isn't an excuse for it not working the way you want it to."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You'd have to brainwash more than half the population to eradicate THAT tendency. It's all part of the infantalised, life-on-demand culture in which we live.
 
posted by [identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com at 09:16pm on 03/02/2009
Re 2)

Oh, I know. Did you see that piece that was going around last week on the Principles of the American Cargo Cult? Seems to fit western society in general rather well...
 
posted by [identity profile] moral-vacuum.livejournal.com at 09:29pm on 03/02/2009
As does the experiment that works on both pigeons and humans, where you have something that randomly dispenses treats/points, and the subjects develop highly ritualised behaviours as they attempt to replicate whatever it was that made the treats appear.

Sentience is wasted on a lot of people.
 
posted by [identity profile] marypcb.livejournal.com at 10:17pm on 03/02/2009
like teh intarweb?
 
posted by [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com at 09:20pm on 03/02/2009
AFAICT this still isn't generally taught in schools even today.

I increasingly think that preparing people to participate in democracy should be a school's primary function. Certainly the need to teach science, math, history, geography and several other school subjects follow straightforwardly from that function.
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posted by [personal profile] andrewducker at 10:11pm on 03/02/2009
I agree. More coping skills needed.
 
posted by [identity profile] marypcb.livejournal.com at 09:36pm on 03/02/2009
it wasn't taught to me (I didn't get general studies as I was using the time to study ancient greek) but I absorbed it somewhere along the line - probably from the BBC. Nowadays people absorb from blog comments and wikipedia; I have problems with this...
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posted by [personal profile] andrewducker at 10:10pm on 03/02/2009
Oh, me too.

I think it should have been taught, along with some basic philosophy, sociology, and general coping skills.
 
posted by [identity profile] marypcb.livejournal.com at 10:16pm on 03/02/2009
how to balance your checkbook
how to spot snake oil
how to store food so it doesn't get crushed or go off before you eat it
why the rates on regualr savings accounts are deceptive
how to tell when a politician is lying...
 
posted by [identity profile] ivory-goddess.livejournal.com at 09:42am on 04/02/2009
how to tell when a politician is lying...

whenever their mouth is open...

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