I know I shouldn't read the comments on the BBC blogs (especially Robert Peston's), but there's a certain car-crash fascination with watching logical fallacies colliding with the real world. I keep my mouth shut, laugh a little and move on to the rest of the internet.
However there's one big howler that keeps recurring and that I'm starting to find (a) annoying and (b) extremely worrying.
The main thrust of this so-called argument is that Gordon Brown was never voted for as Prime Minister, and so has no mandate for governing the country. I'm really astounded by this, as it implies a complete lack of understanding of the British political system, and of just how the country is governed. Of course this basic ignorance might explain why a sizeable number of them believe that one BBC journalist's reports are responsible for much the current economic morass...
This then leads me to ask the obvious question: do these people know how a parliamentary representative democracy like Britain (and much of the Commonwealth) actually works? It also leads on to the sadder question: if they don't, how did they get to voting age without knowing anything about the political system that governs their day-to-day lives?
Britain isn't a presidential state like the USA or Eire or France. We don't vote for a President on top of our elected local representative. Instead we vote for a Member of Parliament, and the leader of the majority grouping in Parliament becomes the Prime Minister. We don't vote for a party slate or for a party leader - we vote for the person we believe will do the best for our constituency. If you voted for your MP believing that you were voting for Tony Blair or David Cameron or whoever, well, your mistake. But just because you don't know how the world works isn't an excuse for it not working the way you want it to.
If the majority party changes leader, well, they just go on to become Prime Minister, with no need for a general election. We may even get the rare situation where minority parties go into coalition and completely replace the majority government. Again, there's no need for an election. While these changes may mean a new person at the top, the person you voted for is still in Parliament - and still answerable to you for their actions.
I suspect it's time for a mass civics lesson, and a pointer to They Work For You.
It's enough to make me want to scream.
However I have a blog, so I'll just rant there instead.
However there's one big howler that keeps recurring and that I'm starting to find (a) annoying and (b) extremely worrying.
The main thrust of this so-called argument is that Gordon Brown was never voted for as Prime Minister, and so has no mandate for governing the country. I'm really astounded by this, as it implies a complete lack of understanding of the British political system, and of just how the country is governed. Of course this basic ignorance might explain why a sizeable number of them believe that one BBC journalist's reports are responsible for much the current economic morass...
This then leads me to ask the obvious question: do these people know how a parliamentary representative democracy like Britain (and much of the Commonwealth) actually works? It also leads on to the sadder question: if they don't, how did they get to voting age without knowing anything about the political system that governs their day-to-day lives?
Britain isn't a presidential state like the USA or Eire or France. We don't vote for a President on top of our elected local representative. Instead we vote for a Member of Parliament, and the leader of the majority grouping in Parliament becomes the Prime Minister. We don't vote for a party slate or for a party leader - we vote for the person we believe will do the best for our constituency. If you voted for your MP believing that you were voting for Tony Blair or David Cameron or whoever, well, your mistake. But just because you don't know how the world works isn't an excuse for it not working the way you want it to.
If the majority party changes leader, well, they just go on to become Prime Minister, with no need for a general election. We may even get the rare situation where minority parties go into coalition and completely replace the majority government. Again, there's no need for an election. While these changes may mean a new person at the top, the person you voted for is still in Parliament - and still answerable to you for their actions.
I suspect it's time for a mass civics lesson, and a pointer to They Work For You.
It's enough to make me want to scream.
However I have a blog, so I'll just rant there instead.
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Why would they? It wasn't taught to me in school.
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Wow.
It ran all through my history lessons, and was taught as part of General Studies too...
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Oh, and I didn't get taught General Studies.
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The Gordon Brown "not having a mandate" thing really annoys me to. How long was John Major PM before winning an election? About two years.
2) "But just because you don't know how the world works isn't an excuse for it not working the way you want it to."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You'd have to brainwash more than half the population to eradicate THAT tendency. It's all part of the infantalised, life-on-demand culture in which we live.
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Oh, I know. Did you see that piece that was going around last week on the Principles of the American Cargo Cult? Seems to fit western society in general rather well...
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Sentience is wasted on a lot of people.
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I increasingly think that preparing people to participate in democracy should be a school's primary function. Certainly the need to teach science, math, history, geography and several other school subjects follow straightforwardly from that function.
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I think it should have been taught, along with some basic philosophy, sociology, and general coping skills.
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how to spot snake oil
how to store food so it doesn't get crushed or go off before you eat it
why the rates on regualr savings accounts are deceptive
how to tell when a politician is lying...
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whenever their mouth is open...
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Aren't kids supposed to have Civics or something nowadays? How come I had a better education on this subject than political correspondents and journalists?
Oh, and I agree with your rant...
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I do get the sense, though, that people argue that Prime Ministers have no moral right to govern without a so-called "people's mandate", not that they have no legal right. You could argue that while the government is de jure parliamentary, it's de facto somewhat presidential, many people tend to vote for leaders not parties, and that pretending this isn't the case is a little disingenuous. I don't agree, but I see where the people who say so are coming from.
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It may have connotations of a united Ireland but until v. recently, the state of RoI/Eire claimed sovereignity over the whole island of Ireland which is why I, a Co. Antrim born child of two Scots parents can claim Irish as well as British citizenship.
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When I moved here I made a point of learning about the parliamentary representative democracy - but then, I'm like that.
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(Attempting to head off neepery: "parliamentary procedure" in this case doesn't mean "the rules of the British Parliament," but rules for governance of deliberative assemblies in general. I should think this is obvious, but experience has shown me otherwise.)
But I also have a general understanding of how Westminster-style parliamentary democracies work, which is why I also am mystified by people claiming that the current PMs in the UK and Canada are illegitimate because "the people didn't vote for them." Since the people never vote for the Prime Minister (except for those in that person's home district), that shouldn't be an issue. Or maybe a lot of people have been contaminated by Americanism and think that all governments are run by elected heads of state?
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