sbisson: (Default)
Add MemoryShare This Entry
posted by [personal profile] sbisson at 06:56pm on 07/12/2008 under , ,
You've probably already read about the way the IWF is working with several major UK ISPs to block access to a handful of Wikipedia pages. What you're not hearing about is the collateral damage that the incident has caused to several smaller ISPs.

It turns out that at least one of the ISPs in question has been broadcasting fake BGP routes for blocked sites, in order to force downstream ISPs to use their blocking proxy. There's one big hole in their plan - they didn't give any of the ISPs in question access to the proxy, so all users got was a blank HTML page for any Wikipedia content. Oh, and they didn't actually tell anyone that they were doing this. You should have seen the messages filling up the support forums.

It took my ISP 48 hours to figure out exactly what was going on and fix it.

Back in the early days of electronic civil liberties the cipherpunks had a saying "The Internet treats censorship as damage, and routes around it." Well, we're now routing around the damage this censoring proxy, just the way the Internet is meant to work

Which basically boils it down to: IWF FAIL.

I'm actually astounded by this action on their part. I was running an ISP when the IWF was founded, and the folk running it them would never have stooped this low, especially to block what is legitimate content and which is hosted outside the UK. This action is not proportionate, and certainly not what the IWF was set up to do.
Mood:: 'angry' angry
location: Putney, London
There are 17 comments on this entry. (Reply.)
 
posted by [identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com at 07:00pm on 07/12/2008
Yes. I don't like it either, and I'm thinking that maybe I need to find an ISP other than Demon, as Demon is one of the ISPs blocking Wikipedia content.
ext_140076: (Default)
posted by [identity profile] arwel-p.livejournal.com at 07:38pm on 07/12/2008
Yes, I'm thinking of moving from Demon too, after 15 years, though on the other hand they seem to be the only ISP involved in this which is honest enough to say that they're blocking access to the page because of the IWF, rather than putting up fake 404 pages.

And another thing about Demon, I've just noticed that their invoice dated 1st December shows VAT at 15%, but strangely enough the net amount and the amount of VAT is exactly the same as it was when the rate was 17.5%! Time for a snarky email, I think...
 
posted by [identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com at 07:44pm on 07/12/2008
I've probably been with Demon for roughly the same amount of time as well.

Yes. At least they said they were blocking the page, and why. That is more transparent than some of the other ISPs. I'm still disappointed that they blocked the page at all; usually they have been quite moderate and sensible about these kinds of things.

I've just noticed that their invoice dated 1st December shows VAT at 15%, but strangely enough the net amount and the amount of VAT is exactly the same as it was when the rate was 17.5%!

Huh! They'd better prepare themselves for a barrage of snarky e-mails! ;^)
 
posted by [identity profile] bellinghman.livejournal.com at 12:49am on 08/12/2008
As a fellow Demon customer (and for only a year ot two less than you), I'd be sad to move.

The thing that's confusing me is that I'm seeing no sigh of the blocking - either they've backed out (for which they should be applauded), or the setup isn't covering all their customers.
 
posted by [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com at 09:59am on 08/12/2008
I've been with Demon for years too and would be really really reluctant to change. I can't see any sign of the block either.
 
posted by [identity profile] therealdrhyde.livejournal.com at 02:52pm on 09/12/2008
You could use my Wikipedia proxy. It's mostly intended for use from my mobile phone, but works in any browser.

The really stupid bit is that they decided to block the whole page, not just the image that offended their sensibilities. They claim that their system doesn't let them do that, which is just obvious bullshit.
 
posted by [identity profile] nerdware.livejournal.com at 03:01pm on 09/12/2008
Demon appear to have fixed the DNS redirect to the IWF proxy. Either they're using a transparent method or they've removed it entirely.
 
posted by [identity profile] maetang.livejournal.com at 06:49pm on 09/12/2008
Wow, thanks!

The really stupid bit is that they decided to block the whole page, not just the image that offended their sensibilities.

Yes. I wasn't impressed by that. I could happily live the rest of my life without having to see that album cover, but who knows what they will decide to block next?!
vampwillow: (Default)
posted by [personal profile] vampwillow at 10:06pm on 07/12/2008
As I understand it, the IWF are standing by their decision to block the image on english Wikipedia - and also standing by their decision *not* to block exactly the same image on Amazon.com or Google.

Talk about illogical ...
 
posted by [identity profile] surliminal.livejournal.com at 07:51am on 08/12/2008
can i quote this post please?
 
posted by [identity profile] ramtops.livejournal.com at 08:00am on 08/12/2008
Which ISP was faking it?

This whole thing is a disgrace, and the IWF have stepped *way* outside their brief. If brief is the right word of course, because I'm not sure who appointed them Censors of the Internet.
 
posted by [identity profile] major-clanger.livejournal.com at 09:35am on 08/12/2008
It was more a case of HM Government coughing loudly and saying to ISPs "regulate yourselves, or we'll do the job for you, and you won't like that one bit".
 
posted by [identity profile] nerdware.livejournal.com at 11:32am on 08/12/2008
The only reason I've not yet written to my MP is that this incident is still developing. I don't expect much to change over a weekend, but today is Monday...and I'm seeing some interesting headlines.
 
posted by [identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com at 09:00am on 08/12/2008
Hooray for Zen Internet - I can see this page no problem.

Those of you still on Demon - why? It's not been the company you signed up with for years. ISPs like Zen and Nildram are their spiritual successors.
 
posted by [identity profile] pogodragon.livejournal.com at 10:00am on 08/12/2008
Me - I have rarely had any connectivity issues with Demon, it just works.

I've heard too many bad things about other providers to want any hassle (though I have only ever heard good things about Zen, so they're probably the way I'd go if I did change)
 
posted by [identity profile] therealdrhyde.livejournal.com at 02:55pm on 09/12/2008
Nildram might have been their spiritual successor, but they've been owned by Evil Corporations for years now. I suspect that my connection through them is only as reliable as it is because no-one has touched it since the days when Adrian Mardlin had anything to do with the company.

I'm terrified of upgrading to a cheaper faster connection with them because I'm sure it'll be less reliable!
 
posted by [identity profile] tanais.livejournal.com at 11:42am on 09/12/2008
I don't get it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer

returns the fake "object not found"

However if you go via php

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Killer

works just fine

If that is the scope of the IWF then that's just lazy to the point of incompetence.

January

SunMonTueWedThuFriSat
  1 2 3 4
 
5
 
6
 
7
 
8
 
9
 
10
 
11
 
12
 
13
 
14
 
15
 
16
 
17
 
18
 
19
 
20
 
21
 
22
 
23
 
24
 
25
 
26
 
27
 
28
 
29
 
30
 
31