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sbisson ([personal profile] sbisson) wrote2003-03-25 07:57 am

Chasing the Minotaur: a new email client

I've been on a quest for many years: for the perfect email client. Recently I've settled on using Mozilla as my main email tool - but that entails having the bloat of the rest of the browser, when I'd rather be using Phoenix or IE, or Safari or Camino.

But it looks like the wait may soon be over, at least according a post on the Mozilla blog, Blogzilla - Minotaur is approaching it's first public alpha release. A seperate email client, based on Mozilla's mail code, it's intended to be cross platform and with a consistant mail focused UI.

I'm looking forward to it.

[identity profile] neilf.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Natalie and I are both currently using GyazMail which does quite a good job and, for me at least, is easier to get on with than Mail.app.

Minotaur does sound interesting, definitely something to watch out for.

[identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
Pity it falls down on my main requirement: no secure IMAP. Well, to be honest, no IMAP at all!

[identity profile] tanais.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
As long at it lets me interrogate headers serverside and has the option to delete messages *before* it downloads the message I'll be happy.

Re:

[identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
That's one of IMAP's key features. Everything stays server side until you specifically download it.

And it has full support for folders. And SSL encryption.

To be honest, I've come to the conclusion that POP is a vile monstrousity that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth. IMAP is just so much better for the end user - and it's less hassle for the sysadmin, too.

D'you think this will work?

[identity profile] tanais.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
From: Fox
A cottage in the arse end of nowhere
Scotland

Date: 25/March/2002

Dear Demon Internet,

Several people I know have come to the conclusion that POP is a vile monstrousity that needs to be wiped from the face of the earth. IMAP is just so much better for the end user and it's less hassle for the sysadmin, too.

I expect to offer me IMAP access to my account by the end of the week.

Yours

Fox

PS Please don't succumb to the recent vogue of bringing back "original founders"; no matter how much they tried to shaft you post gentleman's handshake. Cliff's continued behaviour as an exceptionally ugly and stupid man denying his mid-life crisis by making up for lost opportunity with 'the women' provides us all with a little light relief.

Re: D'you think this will work?

[identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Probably not, as they have such a pile of hacks masquerading as an email system. Now, if someone was using Qmail or Exim, then it would be a lot easier.

But, then again I always approved of the old SMTP delivery techniques Demon used.

Re: D'you think this will work?

[identity profile] tanais.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
>sigh< SMTP was well good.

I think I need a better provider. Are there any services that collect my pop email and dump em into an IMAP server?

Re: D'you think this will work?

[identity profile] mort666.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Exim and Courier-IMAP a truely perfect Email server combo...

Started using it a while ago, only now really using all the features... I've got SPAM and Antivirus integrated, plus it does Virtual domains really easily. It is fast and very very stable... Oh and there are not security holes that have been there for 16 years like Sendmail.

[identity profile] neilf.livejournal.com 2003-03-25 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
For reasons that I can't quite put my finger on, I'm not sold on IMAP. Maybe it was because I couldn't find a client I was happy with.

That doesn't mean it's not a good idea, just for some reason it didn't work for me.

Maybe a re-investigation is in order.

- Neil.

[identity profile] neilf.livejournal.com 2003-03-27 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
As noted elsewhere and thanks to Simon's excellent arguing for, I am once again looking at IMAP.

Now I just need to get my head around Sieve as my main IMAP server is running Cyrus.

I may be sometime.